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Beyond Cult Controversy: The Mate Peddlers of the Twelve Tribes
You know me my friend. We were the Chosen People of Yah (God). I try not to think too much about the cult anymore, but sometimes I write when I see others treating the Tribes as the victim, when in reality, it's the rest of us who were fleeced for everything we had, even our own minds and souls.— June 9, 2014 8:12 p.m.
Beyond Cult Controversy: The Mate Peddlers of the Twelve Tribes
No I don't mind anything, now that I have most of my mind back from years of indoctrination and fear.— June 9, 2014 8:08 p.m.
Beyond Cult Controversy: The Mate Peddlers of the Twelve Tribes
We became superior to others and elite by joining the Tribes, until humility was found within us, and we realized the rottenness within our own hearts, how we had been lied to, and how we were lying to others. "Reel them in" was sometimes the cry, in referring to a new potential recruit. "Reel them in" just like a fish. We were the fishers of men and women. Ready to collect all their money and property and credit for the communes. We were just like the first church. We were just like the first believers. Really? Did Jesus/Yahshua come to earth to form Twelve Tribes communes? Did he come to create dependents? Did he come to create some new form of totalitarian communism? I give the sincere people of the Tribes credit, but the foundation the Tribes communes is rotten. Rotten to the core. The Tribes pride themselves on not being divided into denominations like Christianity, yet the only reason they are not divided is because they all must submit to their own Apostle Pope, Elbert Eugene Spriggs - The Elijah - or be kicked out of the Tribes penniless! I know, I know, we need to "think the best." I repent. I repent. But I really repent for ever joining the Twelve Tribes. I joined to follow Yahshua/Jesus, instead I became a follower, a disciple, and a recruiter of Elbert Eugene & Marsha Duvall Spriggs. Keep your deli rose sandwich factory farm animal meat.— June 8, 2014 2:57 p.m.
Beyond Cult Controversy: The Mate Peddlers of the Twelve Tribes
I really enjoy the Yellow Deli food, minus the home sandwich special sauce. Yuck. But too bad the members can't enjoy the Yellow Deli food in the cult houses where they live instead of frequent backed squash or baked potato for supper. I really liked the folk music and often the dancing and feeling like we were the only chosen people of God on earth. To be the only ones. Imagine it. Not just saved by the blood of Christ, but by joining the Twelve Tribes. And nobody else now living on earth would go to the Holy City of Heaven. Even very good people were to be outside the New Jerusalem, and we were to be their task masters. We were to rule worlds of the galaxies. Me and my fellow losers from the lower ranks of the world, almost instantly became prophets of God by joining the Tribes! From losers to winners and special rulers within a couple months. And all women in the Tribes were to submit to us, not immorally but in most other ways. And we could insist that any child or baby be disciplined with the rod.— June 8, 2014 2:50 p.m.
Beyond Cult Controversy: The Mate Peddlers of the Twelve Tribes
After you've lived in the Twelve Tribes for a longer length of time, you don't need healthy skepticism of former members testimonies, you will know for yourself. If some of us sound negative, instead of passively globally rosy and live and let live, it is because we are very disappointed we ever were led to believe the Tribes claims about themselves, and gave up all our money, property, and possessions to them, at their insistence to be saved from Death and Eternal damnation. 90% of their young people leave the communes, does that tell you anything at all? Go there and live and work for free from 6am-12 midnight daily at their cult cafes and rarely if ever see your friends and family "in the world" and then report back. The Twelve Tribes cult communes are a totalitarian, racist, abusive, male hierarchy religious machine. But I'm all for personal freedoms, if anyone wants to live there and try to find meaning in the good aspects to make up for enslavement, go for it. But just spare your children or potential children the misery of being frequently hit by any adult and growing up without any toys and fun. I think the Twelve Tribes are deceptive liars, and I was one of them. I left the cult to follow my conscience instead of the cult leader and his Teachings. http://www.sandiegoreader.com/users/photos/2014/j…— June 8, 2014 2:32 p.m.
Beyond Cult Controversy: The Mate Peddlers of the Twelve Tribes
Characteristics Associated with Cultic Groups (& the Twelve Tribes) Concerted efforts at influence and control lie at the core of cultic groups, programs, and relationships. Many members, former members, and supporters of cults are not fully aware of the extent to which members may have been manipulated, exploited, even abused. #1 The group displays excessively zealous and unquestioning commitment to its leader and (whether he is alive or dead) regards his belief system, ideology, and practices as the Truth, as law. #2 Questioning, doubt, and dissent are discouraged or even punished. #3 Mind-altering practices (such as meditation, chanting, speaking in tongues, denunciation sessions, and debilitating work routines) are used in excess and serve to suppress doubts about the group and its leader(s). #4 The leadership dictates, sometimes in great detail, how members should think, act, and feel (for example, members must get permission to date, change jobs, marry—or leaders prescribe what types of clothes to wear, where to live, whether or not to have children, how to discipline children, and so forth). #5 The group is elitist, claiming a special, exalted status for itself, its leader(s) and members (for example, the leader is considered the Messiah, a special being, an avatar—or the group and/or the leader is on a special mission to save humanity). #6 The group has a polarized us-versus-them mentality, which may cause conflict with the wider society. #7 The leader is not accountable to any authorities (unlike, for example, teachers, military commanders or ministers, priests, monks, and rabbis of mainstream religious denominations). #8 The group teaches or implies that its supposedly exalted ends justify whatever means it deems necessary. This may result in members' participating in behaviors or activities they would have considered reprehensible or unethical before joining the group (for example, lying to family or friends, or collecting money for bogus charities). #9 The leadership induces feelings of shame and/or guilt in order to influence and/or control members. Often, this is done through peer pressure and subtle forms of persuasion. #10 Subservience to the leader or group requires members to cut ties with family and friends, and radically alter the personal goals and activities they had before joining the group. #11 The group is preoccupied with bringing in new members. #12 The group is preoccupied with making money. #13 Members are expected to devote inordinate amounts of time to the group and group-related activities. #14 Members are encouraged or required to live and/or socialize only with other group members. #15 The most loyal members (the “true believers”) feel there can be no life outside the context of the group. They believe there is no other way to be, and often fear reprisals to themselves or others if they leave (or even consider leaving) the group.— June 8, 2014 2:19 p.m.
Yellow Deli People: mellow believers or cult of opportunists?
BLACK AMERICANS CIVIL RIGHTS MOVEMENT is condemned as evil. BLACK SLAVERY is taught, for dark-skinned people who do not join the Tribes. “What a marvelous opportunity that blacks could be brought over here to be slaves so that they could be found worthy of the nations. A good master would work by the sweat of his brow. If his slaves were lazy and disrespectful he would beat them, which is what he was supposed to do.” (Cham, Island Pond, 3/19/91) “Striving for civil rights is of the world – it is disorder to the established social order. In the social order of the world there is distinction between black and white. We shouldn’t try to change it and mess it up. It is going against something fundamental. Cham (blacks) should have been a slave all through history.” (Unraveling the Races of Man) “If the slaves were mistreated, it was the fault of the slave. Even if the master was unreasonable the slave was to bear up under it. This was Cham’s (black people’s) discipline. For 4000 years Israel had slaves….Cham was a servant (slave) to Shem. This is the Word. You can’t break the Word. The more men try to liberate Cham (black people), the worse he gets. It is more destructive for man to try to redeem himself, changing social order. The three races are to be distinct.” (Unraveling the Races of Man) “Niger means black. When people first started saying this word, it wasn’t bad, but it became a curse word, having a bad connotation. Before civil rights black men would say, ‘Yes, boss man’ in the south. Yes man, no man. This was respect. We need respect in people. We must beat respect into our children. Cham must get this respect in them. These blacks during the pre-civil rights time, were really slaves – they had respect for people. They got along well because they were submissive…” [Unraveling the Races of Man] “Cham is no longer, to his detriment, slaves or servants to Shem. This is a terrible thing, a great deception. It is of the anti-Christ to think Cham is emancipated when he really is not emancipated.” [Cham, Island Pond 6/26/90] “This is what Cham should be like in the world – like black nannies – this is sort of what they were to do. They were to be helper to Shem. It was to be a natural thing. There is nothing wrong with this. Civil Rights, forced equality is anti-Christ, trying to change the heart – it can’t be done.” [Unraveling the Races of Man] “The politicians and Martin Luther King have taken the provision away (a place in the “Nations”). There is no equal for the hatred Martin Luther King had for the black people.” [Cham, Island Pond 3/19/91] “Martin Luther King was filled with every evil spirit there is to say Cham doesn’t have to serve Shem. All manner of evil filled that man.” [Cham, Island Pond 3/19/91] http://www.sandiegoreader.com/users/photos/2013/o…— October 1, 2013 1:08 a.m.
Beyond Cult Controversy: The Mate Peddlers of the Twelve Tribes
BLACK AMERICANS CIVIL RIGHTS MOVEMENT is condemned as evil. BLACK SLAVERY is taught, for dark-skinned people who do not join the Tribes. “What a marvelous opportunity that blacks could be brought over here to be slaves so that they could be found worthy of the nations. A good master would work by the sweat of his brow. If his slaves were lazy and disrespectful he would beat them, which is what he was supposed to do.” (Cham, Island Pond, 3/19/91) “Striving for civil rights is of the world – it is disorder to the established social order. In the social order of the world there is distinction between black and white. We shouldn’t try to change it and mess it up. It is going against something fundamental. Cham (blacks) should have been a slave all through history.” (Unraveling the Races of Man) “If the slaves were mistreated, it was the fault of the slave. Even if the master was unreasonable the slave was to bear up under it. This was Cham’s (black people’s) discipline. For 4000 years Israel had slaves….Cham was a servant (slave) to Shem. This is the Word. You can’t break the Word. The more men try to liberate Cham (black people), the worse he gets. It is more destructive for man to try to redeem himself, changing social order. The three races are to be distinct.” (Unraveling the Races of Man) “Niger means black. When people first started saying this word, it wasn’t bad, but it became a curse word, having a bad connotation. Before civil rights black men would say, ‘Yes, boss man’ in the south. Yes man, no man. This was respect. We need respect in people. We must beat respect into our children. Cham must get this respect in them. These blacks during the pre-civil rights time, were really slaves – they had respect for people. They got along well because they were submissive…” [Unraveling the Races of Man] “Cham is no longer, to his detriment, slaves or servants to Shem. This is a terrible thing, a great deception. It is of the anti-Christ to think Cham is emancipated when he really is not emancipated.” [Cham, Island Pond 6/26/90] “This is what Cham should be like in the world – like black nannies – this is sort of what they were to do. They were to be helper to Shem. It was to be a natural thing. There is nothing wrong with this. Civil Rights, forced equality is anti-Christ, trying to change the heart – it can’t be done.” [Unraveling the Races of Man] “The politicians and Martin Luther King have taken the provision away (a place in the “Nations”). There is no equal for the hatred Martin Luther King had for the black people.” [Cham, Island Pond 3/19/91] “Martin Luther King was filled with every evil spirit there is to say Cham doesn’t have to serve Shem. All manner of evil filled that man.” [Cham, Island Pond 3/19/91] http://www.sandiegoreader.com/users/photos/2013/o…— October 1, 2013 1:07 a.m.
Yellow Deli People: mellow believers or cult of opportunists?
When you give them your money, you help that totalitarian monarchy of Apostle Elbert Spriggs grow and expand. It's like supporting a sweatshop. I used to be a member and worked 17 hour days in the cafe, often on my feet the whole time with no breaks. They actually view you and I as cursed if we aren't part of the commune, Jewish people are especially cursed, and black people should be slaves to white people until they join. It's like buying something from neo-nazi's or the KKK. Is it still a smoothie? It's all about the leader. He takes at least 10% from all the businesses as part of "the Tithe." http://www.sandiegoreader.com/users/photos/2013/s…— September 29, 2013 11:04 p.m.
Yellow Deli People: mellow believers or cult of opportunists?
TWELVE TRIBES CHILD PUNISHMENT is frequent and painful for even the slightest attitude or foolishness, even for the child imagining they are a truck or airplane. Children must 100% obedient or they will be taken to be hit right away. Corporal punishment may be applied by any adult member with love. “The blueness of the wound drives away all evil.” (October 1980 Child Training -Notes from Teachers Meeting - Page 5) “Unless your son has blue wounds, by this standard, you know what kind of a standard is in you — it is the spirit that hates your son. If one is overly concerned about his son receiving blue marks you know that he hates his son and hates the word of God.” (Execution of Justice – Page 1) Read more: http://www.sandiegoreader.com/news/2013/jan/02/co… http://www.sandiegoreader.com/users/photos/2013/s…— September 29, 2013 10:53 p.m.