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San Diego City Employees pension fund ailing
Ah, so what you're saying is that the pay level may, in fact, have something to do with the low recruiting numbers? ===================== No-Not at all. What I was saying was I have never seen a job that paid so WELL with almost NO educational or prior work experience needed-which explains why no one can get them unless you're connnected.— January 19, 2009 6:06 p.m.
San Diego City Employees pension fund ailing
Why is firefighter pay in SD lower than firefighter pay in other towns? Please answer those two questions for me. Saathoff is nowhere near the most powerful man in SD politics. By JF 3:43 p.m., Jan 19, 2009 ================================= JF-who cares if it IS lower?? Since when do we have to pay what someone else pays?? And for the record, this is a job that has the lowest entry level requirement of any 6 figure job I have ever seen SDFD; http://www.sandiego.gov/fireandems/careers/sdflss… There are also many other excellent benefits including… Firefighter Base Monthly Salary Range From ***$3258 to $5,500*** ***(More than LAFD)*** Career Advancement Opportunities (Firefighter – Fire Chief) Desirable Work Schedule (Up to 21 days off per month) ***(Hey, where can I get this deal in the real world???)*** 11 Annual Paid Holidays ***(less than the 14 State employees get)*** 17 Days Annual Paid Vacation/Sick Leave888(more than the 12 in other gov jobs)*** Health/Dental Insurance Life Insurance Excellent Retirement Plans ***(Boy, you aint kidding)*** 401(k) Plan ***(Wow, a DB AND a 401K!)*** Deferred Compensation Plan City’s Pension Plan ***(Not if we file BK)*** Job Security ***(Hmmm...didn't I just mention this in an earlier post???)**** **************************************** LAFD: http://www.theblueline.com/feature/CAlosangelesfd… Salary and Benefits Full pay during Academy training Annual Salaries start at $46,729 to $64,686 Bilingual Bonus Family and domestic partner health and dental coverage 15 days paid vacation to start Flexible work schedules Pension plan Application Process About the LAFD Requirements An applicant must be 18 years of age at the time of hiring. ***An applicant must have a high school diploma, ***GED*** (or equivalent), or a California High School Proficiency Examination (CHSPE) certificate. **** A valid California Driver's License is required at the time of appointment. A valid EMT Certificate and/or Paramedic License is highly desired. The ability to speak or write a language other than English is highly desired.— January 19, 2009 4:40 p.m.
San Diego City Employees pension fund ailing
See, Fred, you claim that the union has been irresponsible. Yes, somewhat. But we've also created a system that is much easier to predict. That was on purpose. Can you imagine the difficulty (and cost) of predicting retirements based on "PENSION SPIKING"(overtime)? By JF 4:03 p.m., Jan 19, 2009 ============================= There, I fixed it.— January 19, 2009 4:27 p.m.
San Diego City Employees pension fund ailing
Don says it's double dipping. I'll tell you, there's really no difference except the new employer gets the benefit of all those years of experience at no cost whatsoever. ============================ The taxpayer is getting no benefit whatsoever-they are getting a huge liability in the form of pension payments AND wage payments. If not for the bogus, artifically LOW "retirement" age then there would be no DROP. It is just another scam put into place by the public unions and their bought and paid for elected officials....excuse me, I meant "campaign contributions". The only reason it works is because of the bogus, artifically low age you can retire, and yes, it is double dipping. Like I said in that #429 post-no one gets this in the private sector-or anything close to it. These deals are driving every muni/state across this country into BK. This downturn is expected to last for 1-5 years, and there is simply not going to be the money to pay these scams up (as we now see at the state and City level).— January 19, 2009 4:25 p.m.
Union-Tribune Slashing Wages and Benefits, Warning of More Staff Reductions
in San Diego $160K, $260K does buy what it did in the 1970s and 80s when you guys were working in your prime time years. Your perspectives seem to be linked to that era. Heck a average home still costs a bundle. An average new car, not a luxury one costs 25-30K and a half gallon of 2% milk is about $4 bucks at Vons. ================== My comment/s were taking iussue with how many people were making over $160K at both the UT and the SDFD, not with the consumer prices between the 1970's (when I was in K-6) and today. I would specualte the MEAN/AVERAGE pay for SDFD is at least double that of the UT. For the record, I drive the same vehicle today as I did in 1986, which I bought brand new 6/8 for $5,900 through Nissan, it currently has 315K miles on it. I buy 2% milk at Vons/Stater Brothers/Ralphs for $5.75 for 2, which is less than $2 a gallon.— January 19, 2009 4:19 p.m.
San Diego City Employees pension fund ailing
JF=the 90%@50 has been emplemented in virtually ALL FD and PD within the last 9 years-they started doing it in 2000/2001 across the nation. No one had it before that- including San Diego.— January 19, 2009 11:41 a.m.
San Diego City Employees pension fund ailing
You say that DROP was designed to make up for the fact that we die earlier. You have that exactly backwards. By JF 8:22 p.m., Jan 18, 2009 ================ JF, yes I know I got that backwards-did you see post #430 by chance???— January 19, 2009 11:40 a.m.
San Diego City Employees pension fund ailing
The claim for DROP was that people die from FF/Cop jobs at an earlier age (an unsupported claim, but we'll roll with it for the sake of argument), so why should they be allowed to continue working-even if they want to? ======================== Sorry, made a mistake, that should actuallY read; "The claim for EARLY RETIREMENT was that people die ..."— January 18, 2009 9:35 a.m.
San Diego City Employees pension fund ailing
JF, can I ask you a question; Why should anyone get DROP at all?? The taxpayers did not put in the artificially low retirement ages-the uinions did. They lobbied for it and got it. So if you want a low reitement age then you have to take it. The claim for DROP was that people die from FF/Cop jobs at an earlier age (an unsupported claim, but we'll roll with it for the sake of argument), so why should they be allowed to continue working-even if they want to? If the purpose was to get them out for health reasons then they should not be allowed to keep working, period. You cannot have it BOTH ways-a retirement age of 50 (60% less than the SS age of 67) AND the ability to continue working past that artificial retirement age and collect BOTH a pension and a paycheck. DROP is a flat out bogus scam invented by the public employee unions for their sole benefit-DROP exists NO WHERE but in the public sector, and the reason is because the public unions developed, implented and now are trying to hang onto the DROP scam to contine lining their pockets. The ONLY people who try to justify DROP = anywhere = are the public employees-no one else is. One reason I am so anti public union (not anti union, anti PUBLIC union) is because of the types of arguments you make here; 1- You/FF's/Cops/Public employees already have excellent wages 2- You already have excellent benefits 3- You already have far greater job security than anyone in the private sector 4- You for the most part already have far better working conditions 5. You are far ahead of the private sector by miles on the above factors alone Yet here you are JF, trying to get even more- from DROP. It just keeps coming and does not stop. And to be honest, it is pure greed. I know I represent the majority of residents when I make this comment.— January 18, 2009 9:33 a.m.
Union-Tribune Slashing Wages and Benefits, Warning of More Staff Reductions
Yes, I think U-T top execs certainly make more than $160,000. But Johnny may have a different FF salary in mind. Best, Don bauder By dbauder 10:33 p.m., Jan 17, ============================ The cost to fully fund an employee is their true compensation cost- and that cost includes all fringes. I do not know how many people at the UT make over $160K INCLUDING fringes, but I would bet you could count ALL of them on your hands and toes (less than 20 total). Sure-it's just a guess, but I would bet I am close. Don, care to speculate how many TODAY make that kind of $$$ at the UT?????????— January 18, 2009 9:18 a.m.